to make russia interfere. >> and just briefly, what do ordinary people think? do you think they would supported a move to leave ukraine? >> well, as you know there are many people who are very pro russian and there are a lot of demonstrations going on, pro russian demonstration. and people i talk to told me that they are very happy that there are soldiers, that here they feel protected and that they hope that it could become a part of russia. but that is not what all people here think. many people told me also that they just want more rights but they don't want the region to break away from ukraine. and there, it's also a type of minority here and the head of this minority has appeared on television calling for all sides to get to negotiations and calling for the armed men to pull out. >> we'll have to leave it there.